dtcii__grand_exp

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the Death-Transcendent Collaborative Inquiry Initiative.

This is the "front door" of DT CII,

The DT-CII Grand Experiment Forum

This is where the rubber actively meets the road!

Those who will be attracted here will most likely already lead deeply committed lives toward the experiential Knowing of multi-dimensional [i.e., meta-physical] Reality. Let's together take on a new, more systematic, yet creative adventure together, which, to my knowledge, has not been undertaken in any extensive, methodical way. As co-researchers and co-participants, and co-[and would-be / will-be]EHEers, let's bring all the best we've got, from every corner of the globe, in terms of teachings, spiritual autobiographies and biographies, methods that demonstrate, through others' and our own EHEs and aspects of our lifestyles how to develop our greater human[izing] capacities.

It is through direct experiencing of the more-than-physical [and that includes experiences of immanence as well as transcendence] that we may discover and know directly, for ourselves, the fact of our greater human beingness, hints of our fundamental eternal nature, as well of our true oneness. That is the kind of knowing that Shifts everything. All lesser knowings and agendas are instantly pretty much null and void. For example, we may find we can no longer be allied to any particular religion, because we truly have seen Spirit in and unfolding within every human being, even those who are not the least bit religious.

This is not about how many Experiences we might add up with notches on a belt. ..

People can have the most incredible experiences like this and not even be fazed by them. You will find one example here in which a person had a full-blown near-death experience and came out the other side of that imagining that it was probably just a fantastic, surreal dream, and he also [which is very unusual] was no more convinced life was not bound by merely physical parameters afterwards than he had been before.

While actively searching for this kind of knowing myself years ago I hosted a firewalk. I watched both adults and children walk through ankle-deep red coals for several yards and not get burned, except for one person who suffered a minor burn on one foot. I also, like others, walked through a number of times, feeling this kind of inner suspension of everything as I watched almost from outside myself, my body 'leisurely' move through the bed of burning embers with absolutely no ill effects. Yet it changed nothing within me! That was a shock. It did not take me to higher ground in any way I had imagined it could. Or more to the point .. well, Rudolf Steiner expresses it superbly:

It depends upon the inner lives we have developed whether, when we travel across the ocean, only a few inner experiences pass through our souls, or we sense the eternal language of the world spirit and understand the mysterious riddles of creation. To develop a meaningful relationship to the outer world we must learn to work with our own feelings and ideas. The world around us is filled everywhere with the glory of God, but we have to experience the divine in our own souls before we can find it in our surroundings.

In other words, the experiences themselves are not going to necessarily transform anything. We are, bottom line, our own change agents.

Becoming more fully Human is not "an experience," it's a process.

I know it's become somewhat of an old refrain, but the transmutation of one's being is the Journey itself. One of the most important aspects to our DTCII project is to cultivate, extrapolate, utilize, create ways together to help our internal processing and also to help us work with great sensitivity and skill with each other. Examples of some disciplines that will be widely incorporated will be Dialogue [see William Isaacs], Presencing [see Peter Senge, Joseph Jaworski, Betty Sue Flowers, and Otto Scharmer], co-facilitating and -processing methods developed by John Heron [Sacred Science] for this very purpose. We need some reliable in-common languaging and processing tools which nurture confidence and trust in our interactions with each other. But to some extent this will be open to experimenting and innovation with all sorts of social toolery.

This is not a comparative religious class

... at least not in the ordinary sense, in which we "critique" them for any possible flaws or weaknesses. It is just the opposite: what in all the world's greatest teachings bring out the greatest meaning and potential of what it means to be human?

I confess, my initial thoughts about this were almost exclusively focused on methods that better predisposed one to firsthand exceptional experiences, improving our basis for generating such Experiences of any type. But ultimately what connects us at all to this higher knowing in the myriad ways we might approach this is never the experience per se, but rather, the Heart. The all-inclusive love-abilities and wisdom of the Heart. It may be inspired by another, but it must strike a resonance in the immediate Experiencer's being to effect the kind of change that truly deepens and broadens one's lifeview.

We will find effective ways to chronicle everything we do, short of getting 'mired in paperwork'. We will have blogs, a journal. We might end up producing our own documentaries and even movies and radio programs, as well as conferences and the like.

One last note: the DTCII will be set up as its own entity, but much along the lines of, and perhaps within, EHE study groups.

Research Approaches especially highlighted on DTCII:

1. John Heron--his work [Sacred Science (book); fiend of interest: Transpersonal Psychology], his ideas, his links

Include a special forum just for how to utilize his ideas on this site!

2. Rudolf Steiner and his work [see How to Know Higher Worlds, Spiritual Research: Methods and Results, Theosophy and Occult Science.]

3. William Tiller's conception; see his book, Science and Human Transformation.

And more ... [[[STILL WRITING / REWRITING! ..]]]

The ultimate goal is simply to find what works, what gets each and all of us directly to our own death-transcendent experiences and the all-important resulting EHE Processing -- and to the point: to the resulting internal Shift which naturally and just as profoundly resonates through our new lifeview and behavior to extend that blessing force to the world-at-large. And of course, we are looking for what is safest and most easily and effectively accessible for the attainment and direct benefit of others, ultimately for everyone.

The value of the experiences is solely and soully a factor of the meaning and purpose derived from them, whether they are your experiences or someone else's.

You can have thrilling, spiritually charged experiences for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day, but if you get little to no meaning, no deepening from them, if they don't compulse, compel, and command a core shift toward being more of WHO you are, what's the point? On the other hand, as Rudolf Steiner expresses so well: Inner experience is the only key to the beauties of the outer world. It depends upon the inner lives we have developed whether, when we travel across the ocean, only a few inner experiences pass through our souls, or we sense the eternal language of the world spirit and understand the mysterious riddles of creation. To develop a meaningful relationship to the outer world we must learn to work with our own feelings and ideas. The world around us is filled everywhere with the glory of God, but we have to experience the divine in our own souls before we can find it in our surroundings.

Group EEs

One especially alluring goal would be to find practices/techniques that allow more than one person to experience simultaneously a shared LLR (Larger-Life Reality) experience. For example, occasionally Robert Monroe and also Bruce Moen have spoken of just such corroborative events. [A little literary follow-up research could be interesting with such groups.]

But, taking the case of out-of-body experiences and 'schools' as an example, the next level of collaboration would be to take the best from these various points of view and explore them within a broader context of options to experiment with. Of course, this can apply as well to possibilities like, taking the best from OBEs and, say, virtual reality and/or the trance states of shamanism or Voodou. Are there advantages to combining some of these? Or take similar-seeming options like channeling, mediumship, possession; what can we learn experientially about what these have in common (or not)? What technologies could enhance certain practices?

There can be some pretty exotic experimental play, and I'm sure has been the case since the beginning of humankind for those who had the skill/ability to pursue such things, and for some few this will be a great opportunity to do just this. Please keep in mind, however, that always the goal of goals is to discover optimum options that can be easily accessible to just about anyone.

In the long run it will not be the technique or technology that will win large masses of people over to cultivating and using them. It will be the vision and motivational message behind them and how much value people will be willing to give this new worldview. ... and how much meaning they will be able to derive from them.

About the problem of glamour:

on wHeretwoworldsTouch.com as a whole, but especially on the DTCII, we level the entire playing field, when it comes to how we relate to each other. So we will go by first names or made-up login names, which can be fun, not to mention useful for many of the common names like David and Mary. There are no gurus here, no specified scientists, etc. To the point, we are all Experiencers / potential Experiencers and we all have important contributions to make.

One of the things I've found to be disturbing on some rather similar websites is the great emphasis on certain experts, and with all due respect to those who are extremely accomplished! But the point is, we all choose to meet here as co-researchers and co-participants; every person deserves to be listened to. If some people take up the relentless banner of "expert," that will discourage others from being the full co-participants they can be; that will stymie the process. It doesn't mean there aren't moments or even ongoing opportunities to give all you've got, such as through your own blog or whatever gets set up here to represent all the many possible [yes:] teachers, teachings, religions, philosophies, methodologies. No one needs to hide hir light under the proverbial bushel. But more emphasis on we're all learners, and we all need to feel confident in contributing to the whole of what can grow here to become a thriving center for learning and deepening together in the process.

The arts of Dialogue and Presencing, among others, will give us a better feel for this understanding than my words. The old problem of glamour hurts everyone in so many ways -- not to say this is necessarily intentional, often it's just the way things evolve out of the relational dynamics. One of the paradoxes of glamour is that where one intends to serve as a bridge of understanding, even though their accomplishments and experience may be quite genuine, what frequently happens is just the opposite than intended. In other words, those on the listening end of the glamour, because of someone's gifted expertise may feel further demoralized by not being able to imagine that they can possibly do what this gifted person can do.

It's not that [again] one needs to hide one's light. Rather, it's a matter of how can you help bring out from within, which is the true meaning of "education" the potential and giftedness in another who may not be so confident or accomplished, who may in fact feel quite inept at times.

Mellen Thomas Benedict has said we have reached a time when we are finally going to join hands and walk out of hell together. Maybe this image better conveys the spirit of my ramblings.

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